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there's the debt ceiling. zandi i talked to the other day, talked to some other economists, they're saying if you hit the debt ceiling, you stayed there, you made government spending equal cash flow would be about 7% hit to gdp. essentially taking a trillion dollars out of the economy. so there it is, guys. the debt ceiling game, home edition, have fun tonight. >> this is actually much bigger deal. >> it's a huge deal. >> but would never last -- >> never going to happen, right? that's what people say. >> okay. >> relax, steve. >> i'm okay. >> what happens is the rating agencies -- >> your heart rate is going. >> what's that? >> what about the ratings agencies if they were to downgrade us, if we went over, if we went over for a day it's one thing, if we went over and stayed for a week, do they look at it just because washington can't get along, that's reason enough for another downgrade? >> that's a critical question. that's why the democrats are likely to define default as missing any government payment becaus
there's the debt ceiling. zandi i talked to the other day, talked to some other economists, they're saying if you hit the debt ceiling, you stayed there, you made government spending equal cash flow would be about 7% hit to gdp. essentially taking a trillion dollars out of the economy. so there it is, guys. the debt ceiling game, home edition, have fun tonight. >> this is actually much bigger deal. >> it's a huge deal. >> but would never last -- >> never going to happen,...
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ceiling to avoid a potentially disastrous debt default. >> raising the debt ceiling, which congress has to do periodically, gives the government the ability to pay its existing bills. it doesn't create new deficits. it doesn't create new spending. so not raising the debt ceiling is sort of like a family which is trying to improve its credit rating saying oh, i know how we can save money we won't pay our credit card bills. not the most effective way to improve your credit rating. >> but the chairman was fairly upbeat on the outlook for u.s. growth. but, gave no clear hints on when the fed would curb its aggressive bond purchases. we'll have more on the debt ceiling in the next hour when we speak to senator rob portman. you guys, wilbur, you also said we have -- we are fully ready with inflation, we have all the tools we need to exit. >> well, i caution a little bit. historically the fed has always bought short-term paper and it's easy then to raise the interest rates. again you let the paper roll off, you sell it. now they've been buying long-term paper. rates start to go up, fed cou
ceiling to avoid a potentially disastrous debt default. >> raising the debt ceiling, which congress has to do periodically, gives the government the ability to pay its existing bills. it doesn't create new deficits. it doesn't create new spending. so not raising the debt ceiling is sort of like a family which is trying to improve its credit rating saying oh, i know how we can save money we won't pay our credit card bills. not the most effective way to improve your credit rating. >>...
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ceiling is still around. >> easily, though. >> the debt ceiling is still around. you are still dealing with that and, of course, the sequester issue. there are a lot of questions about what happens. we're speccing to run into that debt ceiling sometime between february 15th and march 1st. in the meantime, let's talk about corporate news. aig is suiciding maiden lane over lawsuit rights. it's the federal vehicle created during aig's bailout. at issue is whether the insurer transferred its rights to sue for losses that it incurred on its troubled bonds when it sold $2 billion in securities to the fed in 20308. aig is preserving its right to sue the federal government and other debts. >> fed chairman ben bernanke is going to speak and answer questions at the university of michigan. in d.c., president obama is said to be forging ahead on a wide ranging plan to overhaul the immigration plan this year. this includes a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants already in the country. immigrants would have to pay fines and back taxes. it would require businesses to veri
ceiling is still around. >> easily, though. >> the debt ceiling is still around. you are still dealing with that and, of course, the sequester issue. there are a lot of questions about what happens. we're speccing to run into that debt ceiling sometime between february 15th and march 1st. in the meantime, let's talk about corporate news. aig is suiciding maiden lane over lawsuit rights. it's the federal vehicle created during aig's bailout. at issue is whether the insurer...
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you have to get every dollar for debt ceiling increases. they say the debt ceiling, they know it doesn't give them real leverage but gives them an opportunity to give real messaging. they wouldn't provide a show-down where they say not raising it. they come to terms with having lost the election. charles krauthammer wrote today, the general rule is from the single house of congress, you can't impose, aren't you failing the country? the country chose obama, if you want to save the republic, save the next election. if your conservative philosophy is indeed right, winning will come. joining me now, robert costa, and dave weigel, both of them doing great reporting, i appreciate you being here. robert, i want to start with you, tell me the thinking behind the three-month extension, why three months? >> a lot of it has to do public relations, i think what i heard from the retreat, and members in the room, they want to start to win the pr battle again, to do it they have to take the debt limit off the table, and fight with spending in regard to th
you have to get every dollar for debt ceiling increases. they say the debt ceiling, they know it doesn't give them real leverage but gives them an opportunity to give real messaging. they wouldn't provide a show-down where they say not raising it. they come to terms with having lost the election. charles krauthammer wrote today, the general rule is from the single house of congress, you can't impose, aren't you failing the country? the country chose obama, if you want to save the republic, save...
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that's the debt ceiling. keep it in mind, the treasury does not make decisions about how the money is spent. they're simply empowered in this case to borrow money and write the checks to pay the bills incurred by your democratically elected congress. today the debt ceiling is $16.3 trillion which is less than our debt. the treasury can use extraordinary measures to raise an extra $200 billion. those extra funds will only last until about mid february or early march according to the bipartisan policy center. good luck trying to explain this to conservative talk radio show host, rush limbaugh. >> i think it's a debt limit as your monthly credit card limit. you can't go over it on your credit card. and the united states government can't spend more than what its credit limit is or its debt limit. now ali velshi at cnn says that has no relation to spending. >> that's right, rush, the debt ceiling was create sod the congress wouldn't constantly need to authorize congress to borrow to raise more money. it doesn't au
that's the debt ceiling. keep it in mind, the treasury does not make decisions about how the money is spent. they're simply empowered in this case to borrow money and write the checks to pay the bills incurred by your democratically elected congress. today the debt ceiling is $16.3 trillion which is less than our debt. the treasury can use extraordinary measures to raise an extra $200 billion. those extra funds will only last until about mid february or early march according to the bipartisan...
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let's talk about the debt ceiling. is it an overrated crisis? our next guest is from austin, texas, james galbraith, university of texas economist. also the author of "inequality and instability." we want to talk to but the debt ceiling, particularly entitlements, james. what is your sense, if today and now is not the time to cut entitlements, when is the time to cut entitlements? >> i don't think it's a good idea, from the standpoint of the future of the american economy to reduce the security that people expect in their old age. so we're talking about social security here. talking about mid care. we're talking about medicaid. these are foundations for the future life of most of the working population of the country at the moment. if you cut them, people will draw back in their current activity, at least to some degree. >> right. >> so you're basically saying you're going to do something which will squeeze people's living standards out in the future. it will not have any direct effect today on economic activity. except to the extent that people
let's talk about the debt ceiling. is it an overrated crisis? our next guest is from austin, texas, james galbraith, university of texas economist. also the author of "inequality and instability." we want to talk to but the debt ceiling, particularly entitlements, james. what is your sense, if today and now is not the time to cut entitlements, when is the time to cut entitlements? >> i don't think it's a good idea, from the standpoint of the future of the american economy to...
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once we will through the debt ceiling and the last chance to derail the term. i think i know what happens, the same thing that has happened always when we have had so many break outs they are left behind by the wall of worry. ask yourself, do you think that this many analysts could be right? do you think that these companies are going to prove brilliant exit prices? no. i bet that this is one of these moments where the world economies are going to be better. i say that because it is the same batehavior i've seen over d over and over again. they are days to buy, not sell. in order to get into this bull market, here is the bottom line, i think this market is simply taking a snooze after a big bull run. but wakes itself up perhaps with my clock and if history serves me right, they go higher not lower and it is turned out that their evaluations ended up being catalysts galore. bob in florida, bob >> it is fwrat to tais great to. south florida by way of teaneck, new jersey. i'm calling about krispy kreme donuts. i sold it and forgot about it and now it seems like th
once we will through the debt ceiling and the last chance to derail the term. i think i know what happens, the same thing that has happened always when we have had so many break outs they are left behind by the wall of worry. ask yourself, do you think that this many analysts could be right? do you think that these companies are going to prove brilliant exit prices? no. i bet that this is one of these moments where the world economies are going to be better. i say that because it is the same...
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the upcoming debt, certainly, the debt ceiling set the tone, really, for what to expect, we think, for the next four years. the battle over that, already. do you see that as the case? >> well, it's certainly going to be a big challenge, both for the president and for republicans. you're already hearing from republicans that came out of their retreat yesterday, essentially walking back, that they were going to use this debt ceiling pretty much to -- you know, as the democrats like to say, to take the economy hostage, to demand spending cuts. they have backed off of that, looking at some plan to raise the debt ceiling at least for the next three months, to give some time for those talks to happen. and there is a big challenge in coming together, because the president still really feels like absolutely, the debt needs to be focus on, it's a huge issue, big priority, but it needs to be done in a balanced way so that all the spending cuts are not focused on programs for those who are most vulnerable. so we'll see. >> so ana, do you think that the debt ceiling will set the tone between the p
the upcoming debt, certainly, the debt ceiling set the tone, really, for what to expect, we think, for the next four years. the battle over that, already. do you see that as the case? >> well, it's certainly going to be a big challenge, both for the president and for republicans. you're already hearing from republicans that came out of their retreat yesterday, essentially walking back, that they were going to use this debt ceiling pretty much to -- you know, as the democrats like to say,...
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what is failing to raise the debt ceiling? why is that going to be catastrophic? >> well, you know, first of all the stock and bond markets will really go haywire in a way they didn't when we were about to go over the fiscal cliff because government bonds are held by everybody. chinese central bank, japanese central bank, every single bank financial institution out there. so if there's any question over the value of those and they start to decline, these institutions have a great amount of leverage and interconnected with everything else and sort of see what happened in 2008. it's also this issue of, you know, who gets paid? if you start to have to say maybe soldiers get paid but not paying for the fuel or these doctors will get paid, you know, government is a huge force in our economy. like it or not. and the number of companies that would really be affected from walmart to every defense contractor to giant health care companies, if their ability to collect money that is owed to them is then put in doubt, that triggers a whole, you know, range of activities of ot
what is failing to raise the debt ceiling? why is that going to be catastrophic? >> well, you know, first of all the stock and bond markets will really go haywire in a way they didn't when we were about to go over the fiscal cliff because government bonds are held by everybody. chinese central bank, japanese central bank, every single bank financial institution out there. so if there's any question over the value of those and they start to decline, these institutions have a great amount...
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one of them is the debt ceiling fight. and the final one is the continuing resolution which is the stop gap thing because we haven't had a budget for four years. i agree with you. i think the president has the high ground there. he has a big weapon in his arsenal there. you have to give the president his way on that. >> if you pay the debt but you have to apportion out the money, the term for that is default. >> mark, my basic view is this is going to get done. but i'd like to move the last minute further out. if these guys need three to six months to do it up right and get a compromise. i'm willing to give them four to six months extra time. >> settling a debt ceiling issue is in the interest of the president and of our country. you have today fitch came out and threatened to decrease the credit rating and they are doing it in a way that areckless because you have outside observers looking at us and i want to highlight a point you made earlier which is the fact that all spending bills are in the constitution. we are looki
one of them is the debt ceiling fight. and the final one is the continuing resolution which is the stop gap thing because we haven't had a budget for four years. i agree with you. i think the president has the high ground there. he has a big weapon in his arsenal there. you have to give the president his way on that. >> if you pay the debt but you have to apportion out the money, the term for that is default. >> mark, my basic view is this is going to get done. but i'd like to move...
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no debt ceiling. one of those congressmen will join me on the other side of this break. >> congress is more removed from this issue than mayors are. congress people don't get called in the middle of the night when a police officer has been shot. mayors do. >> one of those mayors, l.a.'s antonio villaraigosa coming up in the next hour. keep it here. this is msnbc, the place for politics and cool music picked out by producers in new york city. ♪ i don't wanna be right [ record scratch ] what?! it's not bad for you. it just tastes that way. [ female announcer ] honey nut cheerios cereal -- heart-healthy, whole grain oats. you can't go wrong loving it. plays a key role throughout our lives. one a day men's 50+ is a complete multivitamin designed for men's health concerns as we age. it has 7 antioxidants to support cell health. one a day men's 50+. ♪ doing it with a cold, just not going to happen. vicks dayquil -- powerful non-drowsy 6-symptom cold & flu relief. ♪ no matter what city you're playing t
no debt ceiling. one of those congressmen will join me on the other side of this break. >> congress is more removed from this issue than mayors are. congress people don't get called in the middle of the night when a police officer has been shot. mayors do. >> one of those mayors, l.a.'s antonio villaraigosa coming up in the next hour. keep it here. this is msnbc, the place for politics and cool music picked out by producers in new york city. ♪ i don't wanna be right [ record...
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the debt ceiling -- raising the debt ceiling, which congress has to do periodically, gives the government the ability to pay its existing bills. it does not create new deficits. it does not create new spending. so not raising the debt ceiling is sort of like a family which is trying to improve its credit ratings and i know how we can save money, we will not pay our credit card bills. not the most effective way to improve your credit rating. it was a very slow solution to the debt ceiling in august of 2011 that got the u.s. downgraded last time. so it's very important. all these issues are important, but it's very, very important that congress take necessary action to raise the debt ceiling to avoid a situation where our government does not pay its bills. >> a number of people have expressed concern about how much of the challenges actually were addressed in the deal. it went part of the way, as you mentioned. but it leaves a number of issues still on the table and traditional negotiations are looming. would you characterize that as an additional cliff that is facing us? or do you think it
the debt ceiling -- raising the debt ceiling, which congress has to do periodically, gives the government the ability to pay its existing bills. it does not create new deficits. it does not create new spending. so not raising the debt ceiling is sort of like a family which is trying to improve its credit ratings and i know how we can save money, we will not pay our credit card bills. not the most effective way to improve your credit rating. it was a very slow solution to the debt ceiling in...
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let us raise the debt ceiling. no strings attached. and if the president can raise it as he should be able to and if congress wants to reject it 2/3. the mcconnell proposal is a good republican proposal. i hope you support it. that's the way to go. >> let me ask you a question. a bill that says regardless of what happens the debt ceiling, that the united states will never default on the debt. would you support that or not? >> i support the concept. i'd have to look at the bill. the best way to do that is the mcconnell act. >> we may have just made news. >>> last week, general colin powell was here worried about a dark vein of intolerance in republican parties in some quarters. you are part of a stream of new faces in the republican party, minority faces and voices in the party that seem to stand against that. how did you respond to it? >> well, i saw that interview. i respect general powell a great deal. i was disappointed with those comments. i think he was buying into some of the partisan attacks. if you look at this last election, f
let us raise the debt ceiling. no strings attached. and if the president can raise it as he should be able to and if congress wants to reject it 2/3. the mcconnell proposal is a good republican proposal. i hope you support it. that's the way to go. >> let me ask you a question. a bill that says regardless of what happens the debt ceiling, that the united states will never default on the debt. would you support that or not? >> i support the concept. i'd have to look at the bill. the...
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raise the debt ceiling or risk a u.s. downgrade. >> markets are in a holding pattern until the debt ceiling fight is over and the backdrop for the fitch warning is quite different this time around, and pete will explain why in just a moment. just said to you during the break. a heck of a holding pattern if that's what the market is in. plenty of sectors hitting new highs right now. no question about it. this is the year that we springboard up now. not just to climb the wall of worry. get through the debt ceiling debate, continuing resolution. it's going to be bumpy. we'll take full advantage of a market falldown during that period because you've got three main things going for you. housing turning for real, not just an inventory real liquiification and foreclosures. all that have stuff turning for real. it will turn into unemployment back half of the year. a little better transparency on fiscal policy. not necessarily the fix but the transparency. business cap "x" second half of the year and every single central bank in t
raise the debt ceiling or risk a u.s. downgrade. >> markets are in a holding pattern until the debt ceiling fight is over and the backdrop for the fitch warning is quite different this time around, and pete will explain why in just a moment. just said to you during the break. a heck of a holding pattern if that's what the market is in. plenty of sectors hitting new highs right now. no question about it. this is the year that we springboard up now. not just to climb the wall of worry. get...
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we're headed for a debt ceiling battle is to avoid the debt ceiling itself. congressman jerry nadler joins me now and introducing the legislation today. in full disclosure he is my congressman. you do a hell of a job in your district. we're very happy with you there. >> thank you. david: i do set this that up as a compliment to criticize you, i look at a debt ceiling which started at 10 billion, 10 trillion dollars when the president came into office. it is now $16 trillion. don't we need restraint of a debt ceiling to prevent the spending from even going further? >> no. and it doesn't restrain spending at all. congress makes the decisions as to what to spend, what the level of taxation should be, what the level of spending should be. the debt ceiling is just there and, says you can not pay the bills that you voted to incur a year ago and two years ago and three years ago. and that is just wrong. now it used to be harmless in that the debt ceiling would be raised with a little demagoguing here and there but no one ever seriously suggested not raising it. it w
we're headed for a debt ceiling battle is to avoid the debt ceiling itself. congressman jerry nadler joins me now and introducing the legislation today. in full disclosure he is my congressman. you do a hell of a job in your district. we're very happy with you there. >> thank you. david: i do set this that up as a compliment to criticize you, i look at a debt ceiling which started at 10 billion, 10 trillion dollars when the president came into office. it is now $16 trillion. don't we need...
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president obama warned republicans about taking the debt ceiling hostage. it looks like they heard the message. >> the financial well-being of the american people is not leverage to be used. the full faith and credit of the united states of america is not a bargaining chip. and they better choose quickly because time is rung short. >> republicans made their choice during a gop retreat in williamsburg, virginia. house majority leader eric cantore reportedly has plans for three months. in a statement the white house responding, saying, we are encouraged. there are signs congressional republicans may back off their insistence on holding our economy hostage to extract drastic cuts in medicare, education and programs middle class families depend on. the temporary nature of the increase is somewhat troubling. a white house official told nbc news it's a terrible way to run the country. but the aide gave no indication president obama would veto a temporary extension if this is how congressional republicans want to govern, so be it. they already have an approval rat
president obama warned republicans about taking the debt ceiling hostage. it looks like they heard the message. >> the financial well-being of the american people is not leverage to be used. the full faith and credit of the united states of america is not a bargaining chip. and they better choose quickly because time is rung short. >> republicans made their choice during a gop retreat in williamsburg, virginia. house majority leader eric cantore reportedly has plans for three...
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i don't know what he will do on gun control but don't compromise on the debt ceiling. do it by executive order and then say it is your fault. either way he gets the republicans. if they pass they get weakened if they oppose they demonize. >> it is a smart political strategy. >> it could be but it worked so far but not 100 percent. remember republicans got control of the house of representatives during his term after his first two years when he was very aggressive about his initiatives and they kind of stopped him in his tracks. he can't do very much over there. if you resist him i am not sure that's true on guns, bill. gun control has been a dangerous issue for democrats. may be a womell bring if hemay unpopular if something isn't done. i don't think he's going to propose very much on gun control. on immigration they have a sense that the hispanic vote was important it was help will to obama this type around. >> it looks reasonable in that. colin powell used to be a republican. i don't think he is any longer. however he has not changed as far as we know. he made very s
i don't know what he will do on gun control but don't compromise on the debt ceiling. do it by executive order and then say it is your fault. either way he gets the republicans. if they pass they get weakened if they oppose they demonize. >> it is a smart political strategy. >> it could be but it worked so far but not 100 percent. remember republicans got control of the house of representatives during his term after his first two years when he was very aggressive about his...
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short-term debt ceiling hike. but here's what i'm not hearing and what we should be hearing is an unambiguous plan to splash spending now. republicans need an absolute rock solid plan to implement the sequester which is $1.2 trillion over the next ten years. this is essential. not just to unite the republican conference. but more importantly, it's essential to helping the economy grow more rapidly. and if the republicans don't get it done, i'll say this. they may lose the house in 2014. so let's talk with karen finney. who's a columnist for the hill and former dnc communications director. and hadley heath, senior policy analyst at the independent women's forum. hadley, this paul ryan, he went out and met with reporters. republicans are in the retreat down in williamsburg, virginia. maybe they'll use a short term increase in the debt ceiling maybe three months or six months. is that the point? how does that inform you? does that get to the heart of the matter? >> it certainly doesn't get to the heart of the matter.
short-term debt ceiling hike. but here's what i'm not hearing and what we should be hearing is an unambiguous plan to splash spending now. republicans need an absolute rock solid plan to implement the sequester which is $1.2 trillion over the next ten years. this is essential. not just to unite the republican conference. but more importantly, it's essential to helping the economy grow more rapidly. and if the republicans don't get it done, i'll say this. they may lose the house in 2014. so...
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adam: before we get to the debt ceiling. california overestimated how much tax revenue they would get from the facebook ipo. the overestimated by $600 million. you can hear jerry brown doing a homer simpson. can you trust governments to get the numbers right? the fight over the debt ceiling is in full force. as democratdemocrats propose a o eliminate it completely and the ratings have come out with two scenarios in which it was downgraded the u.s. credit rating. not good news. some republicans are relishing the debt ceiling does indeed have to be raised. joining us now, ihs chief economist and we appreciate you being here. is this fight we are about to have necessary, and what is going to happen to whether it is the global market, 401(k), what will happen to all of us if congress passes this fight? >> this is not a necessary fight. this situation created by congress which sent the debt ceilinfrom years ago in hopes it would impose some discipline but of course it hasn't because it has been raised and raised and raised and no
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the debt ceiling fight that's on the horizon. is this going to impact the broad economy in the earning season, do you think? >> i guess this whole political thing is these are all the bricks in the wall of worry that equity markets are continuing to climb. you know, we know how to talk about these things, they're out there, in the media a lot. we follow them sometimes like a sport. maybe we exaggerate a little bit how much these political match nations, i don't want to minimize them but i think sometimes we miss the point that there are really good companies out there who figured out how to make really good money with all of this political noise going on. >> and yet, greg, so many potholes ahead. you know we're going to see a lot of back and forth over raising the debt ceiling, sequestration is still on the horizon now. less than two months away. the continuing resolution. i want you to take a listen to the president's spokesperson this week on the debt ceiling and get your reaction to that. >> sure. >> he will not negotiate with
the debt ceiling fight that's on the horizon. is this going to impact the broad economy in the earning season, do you think? >> i guess this whole political thing is these are all the bricks in the wall of worry that equity markets are continuing to climb. you know, we know how to talk about these things, they're out there, in the media a lot. we follow them sometimes like a sport. maybe we exaggerate a little bit how much these political match nations, i don't want to minimize them but i...
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raising the debt ceiling does not authorize us to spend more. all it does is say that america will pay its bills. and we are not a deadbeat nation. and the consequences of us not paying our bills, as i outlined in my opening statement, would be disastrous. so i understand the impulse to try to get around this in a simple way. but there's one way to get around this. there's one way to deal with it, and that is for congress to authorize me to pay for those items of spending that they have already authorized. and, you know, the notion that republicans in the house or maybe some republicans in the senate would suggest that in order for us to get our way on our spending priorityies, that e would risk the full faith and credit of the united states, that, i think, is not what the founders intended. that's not how, i think, most americans think our democracy should work. they've got a point of view. democrats in congress have a point of view. they need to sit down and work out a compromise. [ inaudible ] yeah. >> and you're not negotiating on the debt c
raising the debt ceiling does not authorize us to spend more. all it does is say that america will pay its bills. and we are not a deadbeat nation. and the consequences of us not paying our bills, as i outlined in my opening statement, would be disastrous. so i understand the impulse to try to get around this in a simple way. but there's one way to get around this. there's one way to deal with it, and that is for congress to authorize me to pay for those items of spending that they have already...
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might vote next week to raise the debt ceiling for even three months. there is a very muted reaction and what to watch here are how people are buying etfs. this is the s&p 500. you can buy it in a single stock and you might say, oh, gee, there is a move there to the far right on the upside when the announcement came. but it is a very, very narrow amplitude. very narrow range of trading. that's about three points on the s&p 500. the volume did pick up and we will have volume towards the heavy side today. if you think that is good news pushing the debt ceiling out for stocks and i think generally would you look at it as good news, it certainly is fairly muted here. as for the major indices for the week, what simon was just talking about, there are deeper cyclical changes. big industrial names have been generally outperforming and that is very good news, if you think the global economy, those stocks would more closer would the global economy. >> you get this, this real tight hugging of the flat line friday. monday, tuesday, wednesday and then again today.
might vote next week to raise the debt ceiling for even three months. there is a very muted reaction and what to watch here are how people are buying etfs. this is the s&p 500. you can buy it in a single stock and you might say, oh, gee, there is a move there to the far right on the upside when the announcement came. but it is a very, very narrow amplitude. very narrow range of trading. that's about three points on the s&p 500. the volume did pick up and we will have volume towards the...
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but i think at the end of the day, the deal made is a debt ceiling increase. but republicans will go through with those sequester cuts. >> yeah. if i could just come. jump in real quick. brian, bandy, jumping 06 of what jimmy had to say here, let's not forget, defaulting on the principle and interest obligation says separate conversation from defaulting on things to other people. say, sending out social security checks. in the context of quote unquote, defaulting on our debt, i'm with jimmy p. as well. missing an interest payment, a very low probability. >> that where some of the confusion seems to be, steve. exact lit public understanding. that why we are here at cnbc to what the risk really is. is someone not going to get their social security check? is the post office not going to be paid? what would happen first? >> brian, a lot of people don't understand because it is complicated. neither side of this depate want you to understand the reality here. on the one hand, the administration wants you to -- doesn't want you to know there are two options here. def
but i think at the end of the day, the deal made is a debt ceiling increase. but republicans will go through with those sequester cuts. >> yeah. if i could just come. jump in real quick. brian, bandy, jumping 06 of what jimmy had to say here, let's not forget, defaulting on the principle and interest obligation says separate conversation from defaulting on things to other people. say, sending out social security checks. in the context of quote unquote, defaulting on our debt, i'm with...
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take a look now at what the debt ceiling would be, if you reached the debt ceiling and reduced government spending by that amount, mark sandy, others suggest it should be a 7% hit to gdp. so, simon, a big war of numbers, and big war of words on both sides, as we game out what happens, first with the debt ceiling, then we continue resolution, and also the sequester. simon? >> let's hope they rise above. thank you very much, steve liesman with the fiscal cliff. >>> it's been the trade of many people's lifetimes, but with the courages sill at multiyear lows. and the meeting next week, will the trade last? it's the "money in motion" section. good morning. >> good morning. good to be with you guys. what about this dollar/yen trade? obviously the dollar is substantially higher today, but monday/tuesday/wednesday, we've reversed the trend, the yen was actually higher. where do we go from here? >> i think steve's presentation is one of the reasons i'm cautious on this trade. we're within a whisker of the obvious target. i think that trade level will stall. to me i think the better trade is to tak
take a look now at what the debt ceiling would be, if you reached the debt ceiling and reduced government spending by that amount, mark sandy, others suggest it should be a 7% hit to gdp. so, simon, a big war of numbers, and big war of words on both sides, as we game out what happens, first with the debt ceiling, then we continue resolution, and also the sequester. simon? >> let's hope they rise above. thank you very much, steve liesman with the fiscal cliff. >>> it's been the...
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debt ceiling. the coke group americans for prosperity is urging restraint from republicans during the negotiations. these guys you said are on the right have moved to those guys you said were in the center, some of them, anyway, right? >> i think -- >> these guys are folding, caving. they know obama has them on the run, as far as public opinion. they're running off -- >> nothing is ever simple. the debt ceiling is only 1 of 3. >> you'd sequester -- >> i think we will see the sequester, the path of least resistance. congress has to do something to prevent the sequester and the president agree to it. it's unlikely, 1$1.2 trillion, using the dollar for dollar basis, do it twice and -- >> have you seen "41," movie, "41." i saw a couple clips and president bush talking about the nixon year, because he was there and what was it like to be a republican. he said it was not a great time to be a republican at the end of the nixon era and the prospects for the party didn't look very positive. i don't know. it
debt ceiling. the coke group americans for prosperity is urging restraint from republicans during the negotiations. these guys you said are on the right have moved to those guys you said were in the center, some of them, anyway, right? >> i think -- >> these guys are folding, caving. they know obama has them on the run, as far as public opinion. they're running off -- >> nothing is ever simple. the debt ceiling is only 1 of 3. >> you'd sequester -- >> i think we...
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okay, charles, start with the debt ceiling talk. what you heard from the president. >> the tone was remarkable. he talk about the republicans being suspicious of the social security and medicare by the oldest saw that you could hear. then he added making sure empovrished children get food. that's over the top. he said i love to hang out with a congressional picnic at these people who want to starve america's chirp. interesting ini havation. then he went over and over on the debt ceiling and he must have gone through the same idea 15 times. saying this is about honoring the obligation and paying the bills we have already incured. he raised the debt ceiling on how to depend on the ongoing financial assistance from the foreign country to finance the reckless, fiscal pollty. the point of raising the debt ceiling is to allow to us borrow. he talked about the debt ceiling a dozen times. not once did he use the word "borrow." that means we are going to continue to borrow for every dollar the government spend, only 60 cents of it come from
okay, charles, start with the debt ceiling talk. what you heard from the president. >> the tone was remarkable. he talk about the republicans being suspicious of the social security and medicare by the oldest saw that you could hear. then he added making sure empovrished children get food. that's over the top. he said i love to hang out with a congressional picnic at these people who want to starve america's chirp. interesting ini havation. then he went over and over on the debt ceiling...
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the debt ceiling, raising the debt ceiling, which congress has to do periodically, gives the government the ability to pay existing bills. it doesn't create new deficits. it doesn't create new spending. so not raising the debt ceiling is sort of like a family, which is trying to improve its credit rating sank i know how we can save money, we won't pay off credit card bills. not the most effective way to improve your credit rating. it was the very slow solution to the debt ceiling in august 2011 i got the u.s. downgraded last time. so it's very, very important that all these issues are important but it's very, very important that congress take necessary action to raise the debt ceiling to avoid a situation where our government doesn't pay its bills. >> a number of people have expressed concern about how much of the challenges actually were addressed in the deal. as you mention it certainly went part way but it leaves another the issues still on the table, and additional negotiations and are looking. would you characterize that as an additional clip that is facing us, or do you think that
the debt ceiling, raising the debt ceiling, which congress has to do periodically, gives the government the ability to pay existing bills. it doesn't create new deficits. it doesn't create new spending. so not raising the debt ceiling is sort of like a family, which is trying to improve its credit rating sank i know how we can save money, we won't pay off credit card bills. not the most effective way to improve your credit rating. it was the very slow solution to the debt ceiling in august 2011...
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. >>> onto the debt ceiling. the deadline approaching so it washington on the verge of killing an economy that many people think is actually experiencing a very nice little rebound? we're going to ask loan ceo jim tisch when "power lunch" returns. ♪ [ male announcer ] how do you turn an entrepreneur's dream... ♪ into a scooter that talks to the cloud? ♪ or turn 30-million artifacts... ♪ into a high-tech masterpiece? ♪ whatever your business challenge, dell has the technology and services to help you solve it. >>> four days before the inauguration the latest nbc wall street journal poll is out with the breaking news. john harwood in washington. john? >> tyler, we've just got one question. the full poll comes out tonight but this shows you some of the difficulty president obama is going to face with this gun control issue he's pursuing. look at the public image of the national rifle association. it shows you it's a pretty tough target. at three different decision points after tragedies, columbine they had
. >>> onto the debt ceiling. the deadline approaching so it washington on the verge of killing an economy that many people think is actually experiencing a very nice little rebound? we're going to ask loan ceo jim tisch when "power lunch" returns. ♪ [ male announcer ] how do you turn an entrepreneur's dream... ♪ into a scooter that talks to the cloud? ♪ or turn 30-million artifacts... ♪ into a high-tech masterpiece? ♪ whatever your business challenge, dell has the...
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pass the debt ceiling and talk about spending cuts if that's what you want to talk about. >> i want to read what "the washington post" conservative columnist had to say about the republican strategy. here's what he said. he wrote, obama's post-election arrogance and intransigence can put you in a fighting mood. i sympathize. this is what he's telling the republicans but i'm tending toward the realist view. don't force the issue when you don't have the power s. that what we're seeing with the debt kreeling in they don't have the power and maybe taking this advice from the conservative columnist? >> it's rare i agree with charles krauthammer but don't fight battles you can't win and don't go to the brink to be perceived as pulling back and therefore losing. this is not a fight they can win. it's certainly one they can lose and i think, though, just doing this three months, we are not done with this. if you're a crisis junkie, we are in the position of not only did the fiscal cliff not end this, we'll talk about this, and talking about it and talking about it and whether there's a coheren
pass the debt ceiling and talk about spending cuts if that's what you want to talk about. >> i want to read what "the washington post" conservative columnist had to say about the republican strategy. here's what he said. he wrote, obama's post-election arrogance and intransigence can put you in a fighting mood. i sympathize. this is what he's telling the republicans but i'm tending toward the realist view. don't force the issue when you don't have the power s. that what we're...
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will we avoid the debt ceiling cliff? house republicans will consider a plan to extend the debt limit deadline. why that may set up an entirely different kind of cliff. we'll take you live to washington and john haar woovmtd flagged this in my observation yesterday. should the eligibility age to social security be increased to 70 years old since americans are living a lot longer than they did when the social security program was first set up? stick around for a heated debate and the body of a million dollar lottery winner murdered by cyanide poisoning right after he won has been exhumed. the medical examiner is talking, and we'll have the very latest developments of what went on. stay with us. ♪ [ male announcer ] don't just reject convention. drown it out. introducing the all-new 2013 lexus ls f sport. an entirely new pursuit. introducing the all-new 2013 lexus ls f sport. we asked total strangers to watch it for us. thank you so much. i appreciate it. i'll be right back. they didn't take a dime. how much in fees does
will we avoid the debt ceiling cliff? house republicans will consider a plan to extend the debt limit deadline. why that may set up an entirely different kind of cliff. we'll take you live to washington and john haar woovmtd flagged this in my observation yesterday. should the eligibility age to social security be increased to 70 years old since americans are living a lot longer than they did when the social security program was first set up? stick around for a heated debate and the body of a...
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debt ceiling. the last obstacle may be the least dangerous, judging by what happened last year with the overly dreaded debt downgrade and what's happening now. take your cue from the markets. here is the bottom line. washington fright fest is almost over, people. maybe time to break out the dr. strangelove handbook and learn how to stopped worrying and love the irrelevant gridlock that will soon face, once the debt ceiling is raised, and politics cease to be the biggest factor in our investment thinking. kevin in washington, kevin. >> caller: booyah, mr. brilliant one. a quick question. you know, with the higher cost of foods and energy, and the lower incomes we're all expecting, the average working person, do you think we can return to the dependence on our credit cards? if we are, is master card a good buy? >> i like master card, my charitable trust owns it, ebay, that stock soaring in afterhours. master card is a paper to plastic worldwide trend, not so much we get hooked in debt or not. and i'v
debt ceiling. the last obstacle may be the least dangerous, judging by what happened last year with the overly dreaded debt downgrade and what's happening now. take your cue from the markets. here is the bottom line. washington fright fest is almost over, people. maybe time to break out the dr. strangelove handbook and learn how to stopped worrying and love the irrelevant gridlock that will soon face, once the debt ceiling is raised, and politics cease to be the biggest factor in our investment...
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ceiling and debt negotiations. i think it's helped gold also as people look for safety. >> do you agree that the platinum and rally has helped gold and do you think we can look at this platinum rally and make a bigger indication of what is happening in the economy? some people say it's an indication that things are really turning around? >> jackie, i think it's too heavy. the anglo american platinum pulls off 400,000 ounces of platinum per year. that's almost 7% of global demand -- production, rather. that sends the market up. when i got up this morning and looked at the screen, platinum made that 3% today. i looked at the metal sector and looked at things that were undervalued. i think gold short term will benefit but long term i think platinum is going to be a better bet. if platinum stays higher, than going through the latter part of the year, that could signal a change in the market sentiment. gold is your fear and platinum is going to be demand in manufacturing. that could signal a change but not yet. i think
ceiling and debt negotiations. i think it's helped gold also as people look for safety. >> do you agree that the platinum and rally has helped gold and do you think we can look at this platinum rally and make a bigger indication of what is happening in the economy? some people say it's an indication that things are really turning around? >> jackie, i think it's too heavy. the anglo american platinum pulls off 400,000 ounces of platinum per year. that's almost 7% of global demand --...
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people are now saying if debt ceiling is taken care of or deferred we don't have much to worry about. i think we have a little cold shower if we're looking at the economic growth forecast that involved major cuts whether it's sequestration, short-term government shutdown. i'm not an alarmist about what is going none d.c. but i feel like what we've done is the consensus has really been oscillating between over anticipating terrible things from d.c. to under anticipating them. i think we are in the latter situation right now. >> michael, it is joe. we may or may not next week get the announcement of a dell deal or potentially the deal falls through. what type of impact do you see in terms of sentiment on the overall s&p there would be if an actual deal is to occur or if it falls apart? >> i think it has to be followed by others. i think i actually feel like it is a one off thing. people are obviously eager to see something get done. you want to see the capital markets be able to achieve what on paper seems like an obvious deal. a company that probably should be private. and so i do thi
people are now saying if debt ceiling is taken care of or deferred we don't have much to worry about. i think we have a little cold shower if we're looking at the economic growth forecast that involved major cuts whether it's sequestration, short-term government shutdown. i'm not an alarmist about what is going none d.c. but i feel like what we've done is the consensus has really been oscillating between over anticipating terrible things from d.c. to under anticipating them. i think we are in...
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for example, how to raise the debt ceiling. can they even get that passed? at the end of the week, boehner will head to williamsburg, virginia to walk them through the consequences of default and then sell them on a plan that steers them away from that. as the vice president gets set to meet with house democrats about gun violence today, if the political will to change gun laws really there? democratic congressman jim clyburn, he joins me next on that topic and some others. like are we headed for another government shutdown? fight over the debt ceiling, what comes first, but first, a look ahead at the president's schedule today. lots of off camera meetings. life live lunch. you're watching "the daily rundown" only on msnbc. [ man ] ring ring... progresso this reduced sodium soup says it may help lower cholesterol, how does it work? you just have to eat it as part of your heart healthy diet. step 1. eat the soup. all those veggies and beans, that's what may help lower your cholesterol and -- well that's easy [ male announcer ] progresso. you gotta taste this
for example, how to raise the debt ceiling. can they even get that passed? at the end of the week, boehner will head to williamsburg, virginia to walk them through the consequences of default and then sell them on a plan that steers them away from that. as the vice president gets set to meet with house democrats about gun violence today, if the political will to change gun laws really there? democratic congressman jim clyburn, he joins me next on that topic and some others. like are we headed...
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bernanke weighing in on the debt ceiling in michigan late yesterday. >> raising the debt ceiling, which congress has to do periodically, gives the government the ability to pay its existing bills. it doesn't create new deficits, it doesn't create new spending. so not raising the debt ceiling is sort of like a family which is trying to improve its credit rating saying, i know how we can save money, we won't pay our credit card bills. not the most effective way to improve your credit rating. >> the metaphors, jim, whether it's a family not paying the credit card bills, the president saying it's like dining and dashing at a restaurant, the only thing is we've got two weeks of respite and then we're off to the races again. >> after the civil war, there was tremendous partisanship in this country. a tumultuous time. the level of bipartisanship. there's such hatred that you can't get in a room. it never seems like obama gets in the room. biden got in the room beforehand. but look, everybody hates each other down there. it's exactly the opposite of what you would expect from a respected nation
bernanke weighing in on the debt ceiling in michigan late yesterday. >> raising the debt ceiling, which congress has to do periodically, gives the government the ability to pay its existing bills. it doesn't create new deficits, it doesn't create new spending. so not raising the debt ceiling is sort of like a family which is trying to improve its credit rating saying, i know how we can save money, we won't pay our credit card bills. not the most effective way to improve your credit...
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this time it's called the debt ceiling debate. former senator alan simpson is co-founder of the campaign to fix the debt and the former debt commissioner co-chair. he's been an outspoken advocate of getting our spending under control, and he joins us right now in a cnbc exclusive. senator, good to have you on the program. thanks for joining us. >> it's a pleasure always doing that with you. >> we've read simpson/bowles. know you recommend spending cuts, but do you believe the gop should be using the debt ceiling as a leverage point to get to the president to agree to the cuts? >> i think that would be a grave mistake. i don't think that would solve anything. i know they are going to try it, and how far they will go with the guam of chicken, i have no idea, but i can tell you can't -- you really can't -- this is stuff that we've already indebted ourselves. i mean, if you're a real conservative, really honest conservative without hypocrisy, you would want to pay your debt, and that's what this is. they are not running up anything ne
this time it's called the debt ceiling debate. former senator alan simpson is co-founder of the campaign to fix the debt and the former debt commissioner co-chair. he's been an outspoken advocate of getting our spending under control, and he joins us right now in a cnbc exclusive. senator, good to have you on the program. thanks for joining us. >> it's a pleasure always doing that with you. >> we've read simpson/bowles. know you recommend spending cuts, but do you believe the gop...
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and speaking out on the debt ceiling showdown. as we head to break, look at the early movers here on wall street. are you flo? yes. is this the thing you gave my husband? well, yeah, yes. the "name your price" tool. you tell us the price you want to pay, and we give you a range of options to choose from. careful, though -- that kind of power can go to your head. that explains a lot. yo, buddy! i got this. gimme one, gimme one, gimme one! the power of the "name your price" tool. only from progressive. ♪ you know my heart burns for you... ♪ i'm up next, but now i'm singing the heartburn blues. hold on, prilosec isn't for fast relief. cue up alka-seltzer. it stops heartburn fast. ♪ oh what a relief s! >>> the board of jpmorgan cutting jamie dimon's pay by 50% in light of a multibillion dollar loss last year. down from $23 million from the year before. that brings us to this morning's squawk on the tweet. how might jamie dimon tighten his belt. tweet us at squawk street. there's a lot of -- i don't want to say hatred, but ill wi
and speaking out on the debt ceiling showdown. as we head to break, look at the early movers here on wall street. are you flo? yes. is this the thing you gave my husband? well, yeah, yes. the "name your price" tool. you tell us the price you want to pay, and we give you a range of options to choose from. careful, though -- that kind of power can go to your head. that explains a lot. yo, buddy! i got this. gimme one, gimme one, gimme one! the power of the "name your price"...
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no debt ceiling default. okay. but mark, the problem i have is they refuse to talk about the across-the-board automatic spending cuts in the so-called sequester. it's about 80, $100 billion this year and $1.2 trillion over ten years. to me that is their biggest mistake. that is already the law. the democrats are trying to hedge on it. the president has already said it's not going to happen. this is where the republicans should go. and they won't go there. and that's why i doubt their bona fides on spending. >> you have to first of all as i said before get across that spending levels are stoo high. keith, you would agree with that, right? >> no. >> see what i mean? they're too high. >> perfect. right. >> you think this level is appropriate. 25% gdp. >> you're talking about gdp to spending -- >> yeah. >> yeah, that is too high. but that's not because we're spending too much. it's because our revenues aren't -- the reason our revenues is r. in decline is we're in a very weak recovery. we got out of the worst resgs --
no debt ceiling default. okay. but mark, the problem i have is they refuse to talk about the across-the-board automatic spending cuts in the so-called sequester. it's about 80, $100 billion this year and $1.2 trillion over ten years. to me that is their biggest mistake. that is already the law. the democrats are trying to hedge on it. the president has already said it's not going to happen. this is where the republicans should go. and they won't go there. and that's why i doubt their bona fides...